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The Non-Obvious Show · Episode 45

How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most

with Dr. Sunita Sah

Episode 45 · July 29, 2025 · 36 min

In This Episode

In this episode of The Non-Obvious Show, Dr. Sunita Shah discusses the concept of defiance, challenging the negative perceptions surrounding it. She emphasizes the importance of understanding our values and how they can empower us to act defiantly in various situations. Through personal anecdotes and research, Dr. Shah illustrates how defiance can be a positive force for change, both personally and socially. The conversation explores the dynamics of compliance, the role of values, and the potential ripple effect of individual acts of defiance in professional contexts.

Key Takeaways

  • Defiance can be a quiet statement of values.
  • Compliance often leads to negative consequences for individuals.
  • Understanding our values is crucial for practicing defiance.
  • Defiance is not inherently negative; it can drive positive change.
  • Tension in a situation can signal the need for defiance.
  • Defiance is a skill that can be developed and practiced.
  • The costs of compliance can outweigh the risks of defiance.
  • Defiance can inspire others and create movements.
  • Preparation is key to being able to act defiantly when needed.
  • Living in alignment with one's values leads to greater happiness.

What We Cover

  • 00:00The Power of Defiance
  • 08:41Understanding Compliance and Defiance
  • 17:48The Role of Values in Defiance
  • 26:48Defiance in Professional Contexts
  • 35:24The Ripple Effect of Defiance

About The Guest

Sunita Sah Cornell professor; author of Defy

Sunita Sah is a professor in management and organizations at Cornell University's SC Johnson College of Business and author of Defy. A physician turned organizational psychologist, she researches why people comply with authority against their own judgment and how they can speak up instead.

sunitasah.com ↗

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